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It's slow work converting the sections but if I do it right, it's a drop-in replacement like below. Not sure which stats people are really interested in for each item type. It's obvious with Sword-chucks, that everyone is wanting to see the critical hit bonus, but with a staff it's not obvious at all even to someone who primarily mages, what to put in there. MDB? EDB? Prof? How about this rule - if you want to add a column, you have to update all the EXISTING items in that table? ;) | It's slow work converting the sections but if I do it right, it's a drop-in replacement like below. Not sure which stats people are really interested in for each item type. It's obvious with Sword-chucks, that everyone is wanting to see the critical hit bonus, but with a staff it's not obvious at all even to someone who primarily mages, what to put in there. MDB? EDB? Prof? How about this rule - if you want to add a column, you have to update all the EXISTING items in that table? ;) | ||
[[User:Lovehcomics|Lovehcomics]] 21:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC) | [[User:Lovehcomics|Lovehcomics]] 21:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC) | ||
The point is, once upon a time I have to remove its relation with the main group because of its advice part and the existence of the equipment range page. As long as it falls within the range, is there any real need to list all of them? Remember, if you want equip examples, you can always get that from the forum. This page should be used to add something obsolete (so people will have difficulty to find), not for 50 examples which the normal equip range can cover. And even so it should be kept short as nobody really cares the sword chucks with low crit rate. It isn't how hard they can be avoided, but it is why they should be added in the first place. [[User:Varst|Varst]] 01:38, 20 July 2012 (UTC) | |||
== Sample of new possible design == | == Sample of new possible design == | ||
Latest revision as of 01:38, 20 July 2012
Expanding armor section - collecting info here for convenience (max/min/etc.)
First, I'm going to add the one Kevlar legging I own. Sadly, this section will take a lot of time since there's five armor slots to find the min/max stats for. We can just expand outwards as people find stats higher or lower than the current limits. Lovehcomics 10:07, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Note that just like the article, bold indicates prenerf values. Scaled to L300 since that's the same level already in use. It is best to not post items in the bazaar unless bought since they come up "no such item" once deleted.
List of shields
This list will help start the min/max table.
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=698703&key=d0e02a76a0
Average Ruby Tower Shield of the Barrier
Level: 162 -> 300
Physical Absorption: 3.71
Physical Mitigation: 1.27
Magical Absorption: 4.47
Magical Mitigation: 1.77
Block Chance: 47.16
Burden: 24.25
Interference: 21.69
STR: 2.79
END: 4.65
Average Prism Buckler of the Nimble
Level: 211 -> 300
Physical Absorption: 2.31
Physical Mitigation: 1.09
Magical Absorption: 2.48
Magical Mitigation: 1.07
Block Chance: 12.22
Parry Chance: 4.33
Burden: 3.46
Interference: 7.7
Crushing Mitigation: 0.7
Slashing Mitigation: 0.42
Piercing Mitigation: 0.84
STR: 3.72
DEX: 2.79
END: 0.93
Block Chance: 12.22 (Buckler) to 47.16 (Tower shield)
Parry Chance: 0 to 4.33 (Of the Nimble only - others=0%)
STR/DEX/END are primary stats added to.
Lovehcomics 10:35, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Red_Piotrus has a pre-nerf shield with higher block than your Tower Shield listed. Razorflame 04:48, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Cool, I'll contact Red_Piotrus - Thanks! Lovehcomics 05:54, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=18384&key=aa023d474d
Superior Steel Tower Shield of Protection
Level: 140 -> 300
Physical Absorption: 14.84
Physical Mitigation: 2.92
Magical Absorption: 12.9
Magical Mitigation: 2.48
Block Chance: 61.13
Burden: 20.09
Interference: 18.2
STR: 4.65
END: 4.65
So now the max block% is 61.13% for a prenerf.
Lovehcomics 06:08, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Staff weapons
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=898223&key=9ea360f7ed (postnerf, 40% for 1+ turns at L300) Fair Ebony Staff of the Elementalist Level: 15 -> 300 Attack Damage Multiplier: 4.94 Magic Damage Multiplier: 22.96 Magic Accuracy Bonus: 14.91 Magic Critical Bonus: 2.1 Burden: 10.39 Elemental Proficiency Bonus: 55.68 Deprecating Proficiency Bonus: 12.87 Fire Damage Bonus: 4.2 Cold Damage Bonus: 6.3 Elec Damage Bonus: 8.35 Wind Damage Bonus: 6.3 INT: 5.58 WIS: 1.86
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=48287&key=e7eac307f7 (prenerf, 48% for 2 to 3 turns at L300) Fine Prism-tipped Redwood Staff of the Fox Level: 211 -> 300 Attack Damage Multiplier: 11.09 Attack Accuracy Bonus: 3.68 Magic Damage Multiplier: 18.12 Magic Accuracy Bonus: 14.91 Burden: 6.93 Elemental Proficiency Bonus: 23.56 Divine Proficiency Bonus: 10.71 Forbidden Proficiency Bonus: 8.57 Deprecating Proficiency Bonus: 8.57 Supportive Proficiency Bonus: 19.28 Curative Proficiency Bonus: 19.28 INT: 4.66 WIS: 3.72
Proc% seen: 16%,20%,22%,24%,28%,32%,34%,36%,40%,48% (ALL current values are (20+4k)% but prenerfs allow more)
Lowest turns seen: ?? at L300
Highest turns seen: ?? @ L300 (?? @ L300)
See the discussion on staff/estoc/... max turns in HV's main forum. http://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=29421 Lovehcomics 03:56, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Estocs
Thanks to Sayo Aisaka for mentioning cmdct's weapon:
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=30980&key=fc49def927 (prenerf, 25% for 7 turns and barely past L200!) Exquisite Prism Estoc of Slaughter Level: 206 -> 300 Attack Damage Multiplier: 73.92 Attack Accuracy Bonus: 1.83 Burden: 33.26 Interference: 14 STR: 4.65 DEX: 2.78
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=901100&key=395054776d (postnerf, 25% for 2 turns @ L36, ??? turns @ L300) Average Iron Estoc of Balance Level: 36 -> 300 Attack Damage Multiplier: 46.82 Attack Accuracy Bonus: 10.12 Attack Critical Bonus: 7.85 Burden: 27.72 Interference: 19.59 STR: 6.54 DEX: 2.76
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=907116&key=00f3a6b41b (postnerf, 21% for 6 turns @L262, 6+ turns at L300) Fine Prism Estoc of the Ox Level: 261 -> 300 Attack Damage Multiplier: 45.58 Attack Accuracy Bonus: 1.84 Attack Critical Bonus: 4.83 Burden: 24.94 Interference: 11.2 STR: 15.81 DEX: 3.72
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=917322&key=d7bbc8195a (postnerf, 15% for 3 turns @L54, ???@L300) Average Steel Estoc of the Ox Level: 54 -> 300 Attack Damage Multiplier: 41.9 Attack Accuracy Bonus: 7.36 Attack Critical Bonus: 5.07 Burden: 31.88 Interference: 12.6 STR: 8.38 DEX: 6.49
Proc%: 15, 17, 19, 21, 23, 25
Turns at L300: 1?,2?,3?,4?,5?,6?, 7
Looks like it might be a good time to use Microsoft Excel or Open Office/* Office Calc. ;) Lovehcomics 04:38, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Clothes
Helmets
Body
Hands
Legs
Feet
Light armor
Helmets
Kevlar
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=712350&key=8d88f01934
Superior Kevlar Helmet of Protection
Level: 260 -> 300
Physical Absorption: 12.07
Physical Mitigation: 4.01
Magical Absorption: 9.92
Magical Mitigation: 3.53
Evade Chance: 3.5
Resist Chance: 7.05
Burden: 4.16
Interference: 3.5
Crushing Mitigation: 3.36
Slashing Mitigation: 2.52
Piercing Mitigation: 1.12
STR: 8.37
DEX: 9.3
AGI: 9.3
Lovehcomics 06:11, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Body
Kevlar
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=417421&key=e28d6d8117
Fine Kevlar Breastplate of Dampening
Level: 228 -> 300
Physical Absorption: 10.67
Physical Mitigation: 3.28
Magical Absorption: 13.88
Magical Mitigation: 3.01
Evade Chance: 3.5
Resist Chance: 8.82
Burden: 6.93
Interference: 5.6
Crushing Mitigation: 7.56
Slashing Mitigation: 2.8
Piercing Mitigation: 1.54
STR: 10.22
DEX: 10.22
AGI: 5.57
Hands
Kevlar
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=423197&key=b66e06ad05
Fine Kevlar Gauntlets of Negation
Level: 194 -> 300
Physical Absorption: 10.21
Physical Mitigation: 3.28
Magical Absorption: 7.45
Magical Mitigation: 3.01
Evade Chance: 2.63
Resist Chance: 11.47
Burden: 6.24
Interference: 3.5
Crushing Mitigation: 3.78
Slashing Mitigation: 2.8
Piercing Mitigation: 0.98
STR: 4.65
DEX: 3.72
AGI: 4.65
Legs
Kevlar
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=825170&key=56b6546976
Fair Kevlar Leggings of the Fire-eater
Level: 97 -> 300
Physical Absorption: 8.34
Physical Mitigation: 2.37
Magical Absorption: 7.44
Magical Mitigation: 1.94
Evade Chance: 2.62
Resist Chance: 8.82
Burden: 4.16
Interference: 7
Crushing Mitigation: 3.37
Slashing Mitigation: 2.1
Piercing Mitigation: 1.13
Fire Mitigation: 23
STR: 9.3
DEX: 7.45
AGI: 3.71
Lovehcomics 05:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=286390&key=5bdeea6d0c
Fine Kevlar Leggings of Warding
Level: 186 -> 300
Physical Absorption: 11.14
Physical Mitigation: 2.19
Magical Absorption: 15.38
Magical Mitigation: 3.36
Evade Chance: 3.94
Resist Chance: 7.94
Burden: 6.24
Interference: 4.9
Crushing Mitigation: 4.34
Slashing Mitigation: 2.66
Piercing Mitigation: 1.12
STR: 10.23
DEX: 6.52
AGI: 7.43
Feet
Kevlar
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php?eid=548493&key=5a8226c9f7
Fine Kevlar Boots of the Stone-skinned
Level: 258 -> 300
Physical Absorption: 7.88
Physical Mitigation: 2.91
Magical Absorption: 7.44
Magical Mitigation: 2.48
Evade Chance: 2.19
Resist Chance: 7.05
Burden: 4.16
Interference: 4.2
Crushing Mitigation: 3.09
Slashing Mitigation: 2.94
Piercing Mitigation: 0.84
STR: 4.65
DEX: 3.72
AGI: 4.65
Heavy armor
Helmets
Body
Hands
Legs
Feet
I'd like to be able to see the old links from the earlier versions. This was hopeless after around equipment numbers in the 2-3 millions, anyways. :(
Suggest renaming this to Equipment Examples and removing the tables to shorten the length. This make sense?
Better yet, making new tables with all the examples, including EID#s, to show common values for those ranges of EID#'s. Sort by EID#? Lovehcomics 11:49, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Will not delete, please clean up as you see fit and move it to a new name whenever you wish. -- Maximum_Joe 1:48, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Just keep those with pre-nerf stats. There isn't any real need to keep all those equip's links as most of them don't have better stats than those equips you can find in the equip thread. Then change it's name to 'pre-nerf equips' to show people that they no longer drops. Varst 15:23, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
- Well, since almost all the EIDs are in the 6 digits, I guess it's not hard to avoid the ones released after they went in the millions. Or do you mean the ORIGINAL big changes back in 4.0 or whatever it was?
It's slow work converting the sections but if I do it right, it's a drop-in replacement like below. Not sure which stats people are really interested in for each item type. It's obvious with Sword-chucks, that everyone is wanting to see the critical hit bonus, but with a staff it's not obvious at all even to someone who primarily mages, what to put in there. MDB? EDB? Prof? How about this rule - if you want to add a column, you have to update all the EXISTING items in that table? ;) Lovehcomics 21:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
The point is, once upon a time I have to remove its relation with the main group because of its advice part and the existence of the equipment range page. As long as it falls within the range, is there any real need to list all of them? Remember, if you want equip examples, you can always get that from the forum. This page should be used to add something obsolete (so people will have difficulty to find), not for 50 examples which the normal equip range can cover. And even so it should be kept short as nobody really cares the sword chucks with low crit rate. It isn't how hard they can be avoided, but it is why they should be added in the first place. Varst 01:38, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Sample of new possible design
Sword Chucks
Note: Ready for article? Added in but can be reverted/replaced if need be.
Note: Used http://www.starfleetplatoon.com/~cmal/EquipCalc/ to get base values. If this is wrong, I need to stop right now and fix this with a better tool before going further!
