https://ehwiki.org/action/history/Talk:Proficiencies?feed=atomTalk:Proficiencies - Revision history2026-04-05T00:07:32ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.43.8https://ehwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Proficiencies&diff=18608&oldid=prevEwq23 at 05:23, 14 January 20132013-01-14T05:23:08Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So does that also count for casting a spell with insufficient mana or using Focus? What about using Spirit with insufficient OC/zero SP? Trying to use an item on mobs actually uses it on you now, so does that count as well? And it might be a good idea to create a page about bugs. --[[User:Cmal|cmal]] 02:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>So does that also count for casting a spell with insufficient mana or using Focus? What about using Spirit with insufficient OC/zero SP? Trying to use an item on mobs actually uses it on you now, so does that count as well? And it might be a good idea to create a page about bugs. --[[User:Cmal|cmal]] 02:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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